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  • Jun. 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 PM
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I'm almost done with the first (pretty raw) draft of BEAUTIFUL GHOSTS. Of course, now that I've almost finished it in 3rd-person, past tense, I am thinking of switching to 1st-person, present tense during revisions. Heh. I always do this...

Just wondering if anyone has thoughts on 1st-person, present tense POV? And especially any recommendations in the YA field - any subgenre of YA is fine. Doesn't have to be paranormal.

Cheers!
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[info]moirarogers wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
I think it makes it harder to pull off, but if you can it can be great. Ann Aguirre does it so effortlessly in the Jax books that I seriously forget about the tense, and I guess that's how you know it's good.

I can't think of any examples in YA, but Grimspace is my favorite book I've read in...oh, I don't know. A while. And I think the 1st person present really works for it.

-Bree
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
Yes, I enjoyed Grimspace too! :)
[info]childlight wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
I never really pay attention to the tense. But my 15 year old neice was just telling me this weekend that she only reads books that are 1st person, present tense. She said that 3rd person, past tense gets on her nerves.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
That's interesting... Thanks for sharing. I wonder if your niece has any recommendations? ;)
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[info]mzink wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
The Gemma Doyle trilogy by Libba bray is an excellent example of this POV. It begins with A Great and Terrible Beauty and is a great read!
:D
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
Oh, of course they are! I have only read the first book but really need to read the rest. And maybe re-read Book 1, too. :)

What POV is your book written in?
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[info]dragonkaty wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
Don't read a lot of YA, but I can't hink of a single UF book I've read in the past few years that wasn't 1st person, present. Am actually worried because the one I am writing is 3rd person...
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:16 pm (UTC)
That's interesting, but you gotta write what comes out - you know? :) Also, you might end up changing it, which is what I'm considering. Heh.
[info]rj_anderson wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
I'm currently mulling over changing my paranormal YA from first person past to first person present because I like the sense of immediacy that present gives, and also the slightly surreal quality to it.

As for examples, I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I know I've read one not that long ago...
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
Yes, that 'surreal' quality is awesome. Good luck if you go for it! I'm thinking that it might not work for my project because of the surreal quality. My protag is quite a gritty realist. I just feel the 3rd-person POV is lacking something, and that's rare for me. Normally I like 3rd POV. Hmm...
[info]rclementmoore wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
I have an irrational dislike of present tense. No reason for it, I just don't care for it. So if a present tense book draws me in, I know it's a good one. In addition to the Gemma Doyle books, The Adoration of Jenna Fox (Mary E. Pearson) was one where the present tense made sense thematically, it disappeared into the story, if that makes sense.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
I know a lot of people who feel the same as you about present tense, so you're certainly not alone! :)

I haven't read The Adoration of Jenna Fox yet. And you *totally* make sense - I really need to read that book. Thanks.
[info]carrie_ryan wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
Tense and POV change? I'm exhausted just thinking about it! FHT was first person present (it was an experiment when I started writing it - lol)
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:20 pm (UTC)
Heh. I know! I feel tired too... ;) Maybe I'll just shift it to 1st-person and see how that goes first.

And of COURSE! *facepalm* Yes, yours was beautiful in 1st-person present - that slightly surreal quality was pefect for FHT.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:01 pm (UTC)
I can't read it when I'm trying to write in 1st person past. It messes with my head. And I think SUCH A PRETTY GIRL by Laure Wiess was in first person. And WAKE and FADE by Lisa McMann. Hugs, Heather Dearly
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks Heather! I still need to try Lisa's books... *adds to wishlist* :)
[info]suzannemcleod wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:01 pm (UTC)
Well done for nearly fnishing! I used to not like present tense, but Jeri Smith Ready sold me on it once I read Wicked Game :-)

Excellent 1st/present YA books are:

Need by Carrie Jones - great contemporary setting [and pixies! Yay!]
Hunger Games - Suzanne Collins
Forest of Hands and Teeth - Carrie Ryan
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
LOVE THAT ICON!! :D

Yes, Wicked Game is awesome. I still have to read the sequel... *Sigh* I can't believe I haven't read Need yet. Wow, I am very bad because I <3 Carrie and should read it. I just struggle to by hardbacks these days.

And of course, both The Hunger Games and FHT were 1st-person, present. I forgot about them (I don't know how that's possible).

Thanks!!
[info]veschwab wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
The first book I wrote was third person, past tense. The second was first person, present. I am not sure I'll ever go back to third person, certainly not as long as I'm writing YA/MG.

I found it was easier to connect in 1st person, and quite frankly, I had far fewer blocks because I could always sit and "talk" to my mc, hear her voice, and let her help me. I think it *does* depend on the project. The editor I'm revising my 1st book for said she liked that project third person, past tense. But it was a very different book from my 2nd.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
I really want to try 1st-person, but I always seem to work best in 3rd. Maybe switching it afterwards will work this time, but I tried that with another project and I ended up changing it all back again. LOL.

Yes, the project itself really is the deciding factor. And thanks for your comment - that part about 'talking' to the mc is a good way of thinking of it. :)
[info]jongibbs wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
Congrats on the nearly finished bit. Good luck with the person/tense bit. I can't think of an example offhand, but I'm pretty sure I've seen YA in the first person, present tense before :)
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:27 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Jon. :)
[info]onegrapeshy wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
It's the only way I know how to write!
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:29 pm (UTC)
LOL!! Of course... *facepalm* I haven't read SAY THE WORD yet, but read BAaSiB. :)
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[info]angie_frazier wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)
Hunger Games is 1st person present. I prefer 3rd person past tense, but maybe one day I'll experiment :-) Good luck!!!
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
Normally I prefer 3rd person past, too, I just feel there is a layer missing in this particular project now I'm close to the end. Hmm... Maybe I will just shift to 1st-person past, but that's not my favourite POV.

Thanks!

*goes off to experiment*
[info]crissachappell wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:39 pm (UTC)
I love Kevin Brooks and many of his novels are first person, present tense. It suits the suspense genre very well.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the rec! I've never read any of his books. :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:54 pm (UTC)
Ooooh, I absolutely hate it. When it is done well, it works - the aforementioned ADORATION OF JENNA FOX and HUNGER GAMES are good examples; I also like Neil Shusterman's use of it in UNWIND.

But when it doesn't work - which is far more often than not (i.e. I really, intensely disliked GRIMSPACE, and part of that stemmed from the unbelievable voice) - it's terrible. I don't think there's any narrative POV that bugs more readers than the poorly done 1st-person present tense. *shudders*

~ Thea
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Thea. I'd forgotten about UNWIND, too. Still haven't read ADORATION OF JENNA FOX. :)

You're right that it's the trickiest POV to pull off. *sigh* I like GRIMSPACE, though it didn't have me running out to buy the sequel. You know, the more I think about it - and these comments are helping me a LOT - I think I might try it in 1st-person, past. The thing is, my usual choice of 3rd-person, past just isn't working. Well, I don't think it is. I've pretty much finished this whole draft and now it feels a little... limp. heh.

Thanks for commenting though, luv!
[info]skarrah wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 04:58 pm (UTC)
Honestly? I hate it, hate it, hate it.

But saying that, I'm sure I've read books with it and it's been done so well I haven't noticed. But once I do notice...
[info]brimfire wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
lol I won't send you my WIP then! :-)
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[info]blue_succubus wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:06 pm (UTC)
Radiant Darkness by Emily Whitman. It's a retelling of the Persephone/Hades tale.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I remember seeing that book mentioned on some YA review blogs - I should definitely get it anyway. I love Greek mythology... :)
[info]brimfire wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
Well, seeing as though my current WIP is first person present, I love it. :-)

I don't have any YA recommendations since I've been reading mostly adult stuff lately, but Jeri Smith-Ready and Ann Aguirre are to blame for my choice of POV/tense. I never considered writing present tense until their books. I tried to write the WIP past and it won't have it.

I'm surprised your book will let you change. You have so much more control over your creation than I do, LOL.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
Hee! Is it? Cooool. :)

I read Marjorie Liu's Hunter Kiss novella and loved it - that's in 1st/present, but now the first book in the actual series - The Iron Hunt - has switched to 1st/past. *sniff* I was quite sad about that, although the book is still good. Jeanne Stein writes adult UF in 1st/present. She's fab!

LOL! I don't know about the control thing... And now that I'm actually trying it out and looking into it, I think I might have to shift to 1st-person PAST if it's going to work. Hmm... Also, we should meet up soon!
[info]jenwriterr wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure I could pull off present tense! I'm a big fan of first person past.

Anyway, YA I can think of in that tense are:

Forest of Hands and Teeth
Dull Boy
Wake
Gemma Doyle Trilogy
The Hunger Games
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
Oh! Yes, I have DULL BOY on my shelf. Must read that! :)

Thanks for the recs.
[info]sarahcross wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 05:57 pm (UTC)
I like it a lot, but it does make certain types of scenes harder to write--like action scenes. Not having those -ed verbs makes them tricky.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Yes, I am finding that just by experimenting with my WIP. Hmm... If I'm going to switch it, I may have to go for 1st-person, past tense, but that's my least favourite.

Thanks!
[info]dan_phi wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Well, you've already gotten the few suggestions I had, and a lot more. I'll just weigh in on the side of present tense being hard to work well.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I think I've decided to go for 1st-person past tense... :)
[info]naomi_jay wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
I can't think of a YA example, but Anne Aguirre's Grimspace is a fantastic example of first person, present tense. It's done so well, you soon stop noticing it.
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
I liked that Grimspace was written in present tense. It's different and makes it stand out in the genre. :)
[info]robinellen wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)
Wow, you have a billion comments already, so I won't add another (well, besides this) -- I know you'll make the right choice :)
[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
I think people just love to give their recommendations. Heh. :)
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[info]mardelwanda wrote:
Jun. 23rd, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
first/third person ? tense
I used to only read third person, but now I prefer 1st person. Most of the urban fantasy I read is 1st person, past tense. I've also read Jeanne Strong and Ann Aguirre and at first the 1st person present tense jumps out at me, but I soon forget it. I hear it is hard to do, to keep it consistant, but when it's done right it works very well.

Now that most of the books I read are 1st person, I do find myself hesitating to pick up a 3rd person book. Weird of me, I know.

Something else that I like Devon Monk did in her first book, Magic to the Bone. The book was mainly 1st person, past tense, but there were passages that were in the 3rd person. It created a mystery, because you weren't sure who's pov it was. Very mysterious. I liked it, worked well for the story.

It has to be what feels comfortable to you though, as you stated earlier.




[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 23rd, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
Re: first/third person ? tense
I loved what Devon did with Magic to the Bone, too. I had to comment on that! It was so different, but really worked. :)
[info]karen_w_newton wrote:
Jun. 23rd, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
I loathe present tense. It's bad enough in short stories but in novel length it drives me bonkers.

I have no problem with first person, but it does present challenges to the writer. Your protag has to be on stage pretty much all the time. Anything simply told to him or her gets diluted. In my opinion, books with multiple narrators really, really need to be third person.


[info]kaz_mahoney wrote:
Jun. 23rd, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
I would've agreed with you re. multiple narrators needing to be in 3rd-person, until I read MELUSINE & THE VIRTU by Sarah Monette. Dual 1st-person narrative and the two voices are just incredibly well defined (imo). Loved the first two books; still have to read books 3 and 4.
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